February 16, 2001  
  Daily news and commentary on the key issues involving radio and the Internet


  Welcome!
  Today's News
  Search
  Message boards
  Feedback form
  Guest essay
  Copyright Law
  
DMCA (.pdf file)


  Letter to Mel
  LMIV consortium
  Overview 5/ 15
  Stern stopsets
  Site of the Week

Click here to make RAIN your default homepage!


  News archives
  Internet 101
  Internet 201
  Definitions
  Who's Who
  Interesting sites



 Overview  Arbitron
 MeasureCast
   Weekly
   Monthly



  Edison/Arbitron
    Listenership  
    Content Study

   Side Channels


  Coherent Design
  Contact us



 Readers' forum
  Kurt's essay
  Fave bookmarks
  Vendor guide
  Chat room






  

 


Trying to cover
everything that's been happening in the realm of radio and the Internet lately, yet still maintaining a manageable size, has certainly been a challenge. Yet just as important as the actual news are the creative insights and opinions of RAIN readers. And the feedback has been piling up!

In the interest of giving some much-deserved exposure to what you had to say, and hopefully invoking even more discussion, today this page belongs to you. Thus, today shall be known heretofore as the second (in a somewhat irregular cycle) "RAIN Reader Feedback Day!"

We'll start it out this morning with feedback pieces we've received over the past couple of weeks, and we'll publish a follow-up next week with new comments and opinions that are contributed today.
Of course, we welcome your opinions, too! (To send us an e-mail, simply click here.)


We'll send you a brief daily summary of each day's stories with a clickable link to the RAIN home page.
First name:
*
Last name:
*
Station & market (or company or school):
E-mail address:
*
Note: Fields marked by "*" are required.

It just keeps coming, more Reader Feedback following news that Activate had cut off the streams of former GlobalMedia (now SurferNetwork) stations (see RAIN coverage here and here, with previous feedback here and here)...

"Sounds like another good offer..."


I want to respond to Rich Potyka of KRXS in Globe, AZ ("RAIN Reader Feedback here) with, as Paul Harvey says, "the rest of the story."

KRXS has probably received over $50,000 worth of streaming services over the past few years, paid for by struggling streaming companies that did their best to serve very demanding stations, no matter how small. True, KRXS never received much e-commerce revenue - but it was because KRXS listeners never bought anything!

Magnitude collapsed despite great efforts by dedicated employees. Activate finally cut off service after a desperate Global Media stopped paying the bills for stations like KRXS.

And by the way, it IS in Surfer's contract that that they will pay the streaming fees for stations cut off by Activate, until the Surfer solution is in place.

SurferNetwork has a business plan that might continue to provide streaming for stations by selling web-only spots to cover the broadcast spots, and, by the way, giving stations a share of the ad revenue.

Sounds like yet another good offer for stations like Rich's, which perhaps need to stop whining about losing free streaming, pay a company to provide services, and say thank you to the folks who worked so hard to help their station reach an Internet audience.

  A Former Magnitude Employee


"The best move we could have ever made..."


When nearing our launch in late August of 2000, we contacted several streaming providers who either wanted a large monthly investment or wouldn't service Internet only outlets. We were very close at one point to signing with BroadcastAmerica.com, but the deal passed.

We chose to bring everything in house and invested in our own server, bandwidth deals, etc.

Bringing everything in house was the best move we could have ever made! We were able to launch debt free and have been in the black ever since. Plus, we're able to control our stream completely. We now stream out at a higher bandwidth rate than our competitors and have one of the best sounding streams on the net.

Hire a consultant and do it yourself. Your product will shine and your listeners will listen more!
  Scott Hawk
CEO / WebRock.net


"I see none of the other streaming providers doing this..."


With all of this confusion in the streaming industry as it pertains to radio station programming, one thing is very clear. Station programmers still to this day do NOT even talk or consider Webradio.com.

The Emblaze technology allows for 'plug-in free' streaming (for those who do not wish to download a plug-in). As well as an 'Active-X' player for equal or superior audio quality. They charge $350 a month and provide ALL the Bandwidth and Unlimited streams. They even pay the stations on ad revenue, as well as bring to the table more viable ways to generate revenue, more common to Internet portals. I see none of the other streaming providers offering any of this.

  Shannon Diem
sdiem@webradio.com


Have an opinion on this article? Share it! Simply click the headline at left to bring up a convenient "Submit" form.



Clear Channel VP/Programming, in an FMQB cover story, discussed some of his company's plans for the Internet (in RAIN here).

"I think his comments...are not only insightful, but accurate..."


Excellent coverage on the Tom Owens interview. I think his comments on the future of our industry and product solutions like Kerbango and Sonic Box are not only insightful, but accurate. There are many companies that could learn/save a lot from today's issue.

  Michael Marks
mmarks01@yahoo.com


"Looks like they're gonna repackage the old stuff for the Internet..."


In response to the comment from Clear Channel's Tom Owens: "our ultimate objective is to allow the online consumer to create completely self-targeted variations of our on-air brands."

Thank god. I feared that Clear Channel was actually going to CREATE new and exciting content. Looks like they're going to REPACKAGE the old stuff for the Internet instead. Good job, Tom - betcha your listeners can't wait to narrow their FM radio station's 100 songs down to 20, get rid of all the DJs, and then listen to commercials they get to pick out. What fun!

  Wanda Atkinson
wanda@3wk.com


This feedback is in response to our coverage of the demise of FMCities.com and FMCanada.com (in RAIN here and here).

"I think they came into the game too late..."


I don't think they were ahead of their time. I think they came into the game too late. If you come into this netcasting game now be prepared to spend millions to startup and to attract over 1 million users per month - constantly.

It appears lots of money was wasted. Not due to stupidity but just not understanding where to put it. Many believe the cost associated with starting up your own network of channels is cheap. Its not. When you take into consideration the bad judgment of platforms, providers, designers and such, then add in what its going to cost to get enough eyes and ears to your site on a consistent basis... if you don't spend what you have right the first time [now, in this day and age] you'll be gone.

No disrespect meant to a [obviously] successful man but in the end it appears that FMCities came in not knowing what it really takes to survive and thrive.

  Salvatore Lepore
CyberRadio2000.com



Saying "Our current revenue model does not show Katz Interactive Marketing delivering positive results in the foreseeable future," Katz Media Group CEO Stu Olds announced that his company is folding the Interactive division (in RAIN
here).

"Katz is pulling a 'George Bush'..."


Regarding Katz Interactive closing down (reported in RAIN here):

Our favorite psycho-paranoid theory here at 3WK is that Katz is pulling a "George Bush" here by telling everyone that Internet radio advertising doesn't sell, so that big money panics and pulls out of Internet radio, creating a barrage of broken and bleeding stations...and leaving a wide open market for the Clear Channel Internet only stations (Enigma, WorldClassRock). What a way to clear the field. (Told you it was paranoid... or is it?)

  Wanda Atkinson
wanda@3wk.com


"It's time we stopped reducing everything to a bottom line..."


I think the ratings, based on total listening hours and other metrics are continuing the grand tradition of denial, deception and irrelevance radio has fostered for over half a century. Hell, our little two-person site would have been number one in the world in December and between 4 and 5 last week (using MeasureCast's measurements). Why do these other guys think they have to spend a fortune on design, graphics, skins and biographical links to grab and maintain an audience?

Who asked for jingles, promos, traffic reports and irrelevant weather in their stream? Who asked for numerous jarring, repetitive commercial interruptions? Has anybody asked the audience? Who asked for personalization schemes? - Just because technology can provide the solution, it doesn't mean it has any relevance to the problem. What makes people think a boring radio personality reading liners off a computer screen will be any more entertaining on the web? Where is the mountain of research that says expensive stereo, near-CD quality streaming is going to get you a bigger audience (our biggest stream on Real Audio the other week was an Elvis concert from 1961 that sounded like it came through a telephone)?

For too many years radio and record companies have turned art into commodity and exploited "product" as such. It's time to listen with all the senses (especially the common one) once again. Spreadsheets don't sing, cry, bleed, sweat, fear, dream, have passion or laugh. We shouldn't confuse a "book" with a story. It's time we stopped reducing everything to a bottom line, and valued visitors to numbers. Or we'll only become numb-er and numb-er.

  Don Goldberg, Creative Director www.RonDiamond.com


"The advertising world needs to rethink what they're doing..."


I don't understand why advertisers are NOT biting. Instead of the "unpredictable" world of Arbitron's (traditional radio) numbers, they can get tangible evidence with Internet radio of "actual" listeners, versus the "extrapolation" method of weighted diaries, and diaries being filled out the last minute to get it in the mail in time.

Advertisers are also asking Internet radio to jump through unrealistic hoops to get a buy, like "click-thru's." I would like advertisers to start telling terra-radio that they will pay 5 cents per person that actually comes through their doors to look around, instead of the usual "reach & frequency branding" which has traditionally been done with terra-radio.

Listeners in the car will punch the button at the first sign of a commercial, where if a person is listening to an Internet station at work on their PC, chances are they won't change the station at a commercial break. They would have to stop what they're doing, maximize their player, then search for another station. On my Internet stations, HotCountryHits & HotHitRadio, I do a lot of imaging with promos and sweepers and even jingles and people just plain do not tune out. We ran some ads for a credit card company as a test and, again, no drop off in listenership.

It seems to me that the advertising world needs to rethink what they are doing with their ad dollars. Maybe by having an Internet savvy sales rep talking to the ad community about breaking all the rules and trying something totally different, like fifteen second audio ads that utilize the TRUE power of the 'Net, maybe THEN we'll start seeing Internet radio taken seriously.

  Jordan James McKay
jjmckay@jjmckay.com



Would you like to share your opinion? Drop us a note! (Or, to use your own e-mail software, click here.)

  Your e-mail address:
  Your name (if not obvious from your e-mail address):
    Kurt, this is deep background -- don't quote me!

        Thanks!



February 21-25, 2001 The Gavin Seminar 2001, Miami, FL
February 26-28, 2001 Broadcasters Website Sales Conf. 2.0,
Tempe, AZ


xxx  

Try it out! Explore the wide world of Internet audio by clicking the screenshot above.



 








 

.
.
 

(Hint: Use quotes)
  Click Here for RAIN Radio!
  R&R
  RBR
  Radio Ink
  All Access
  Inside Radio
  Gavin
 
 
  Ind.Stndard
  Red Herring
  Business 2.0
     
 
  (was eRadio)
  (TazMedia)
FMQB
   
   
  Software for RAIN's daily e-mail reminders provided by...
 
   
   
   
  NEW!
  If you are a vendor and would like to know more about sponsoring a button and/or link in this guide, please call RAIN at 1-312-726-8300 or send an e-mail HERE.
     
     
     
 
  Everstream  
   
   
  RadioWave  
  RCS  
     
     
 
  Dalet  
  Prophet  
  RCS  
     
     
 
  Billboard/Airplay Monitor Seminar
  MOBE  
  NAB Radio Show  
  QuickTime Live!  
  Streaming Media West 2001
   
     
     
 
  Launch  
  MJI Interactive  
  MP3Radio.com  
  RockNews  
   
     
     
     
 
   
  RadioAMP  
  RadioWave  
  SBR Custom Channels  
  SoundsBig  
  Westwind Media  
     
     
     
 
  Amazon  
  CDNow  
  GotMerch  
   
  ubrandit  
     
     
 
  DMR UnityMail  
   
  MJI E-mail Director  
     
     
 
   
     
     
     
 
  Akoo  
  Sonicbox  
     
     
 
  Access Broadcasting  
  Bandwear  
   
  Job Force Network  
     
     
     
     
 
  ABC Radio Networks  
  AMFM  
  Premiere  
  RadioWave  
     
 
  Arbitron Webcast Ratings
   
  MediaMetrix  
  Nielsen/NetRatings  
     
     
     
 
   
  RateTheMusic.com  
     
     
     
 
  BroadcastSpots.com  
  BuyMedia  
   
  Interep Interactive  
  Lightningcast  
  MediaAmerica  
  RadioWave  
     
     
 
  Emblaze (WebRadio)  
  QuickTime  
  Real Networks  
  Windows Media  
     
     
 
  Activate  
  Akamai Technologies  
  CLBN  
   
  Everstream  
  iBeam  
  Intel  
  Live365  
  RadioWave  
  StreamAudio  
  surferNETWORK  
  VitalStream  
  WarpRadio  
  WebRadio  
  Yahoo! Broadcast  
     
     
     
 
  Innuity Media Services  
  MJI Interactive  
  RDG  
  SiteShell  
  WebPresence  
     
     
     
     
   
     
     
     
   
 
 
     
  Copyright 2001, Coherent Design, Inc. All rights reserved.  
   
  Note: All logos and trademarks are, of course, property of their respective owners.
Website design by...



Journalists Magazines 72MoreButtons 72Buttons CoolSites-1 Home